✊ 3 big shifts in how I'm thinking about podcasting


Hi friends,

Today marks the 6-year anniversary of launching the first cohort of Podcast Marketing Academy.

Podcasting has changed a lot over those six years, and my approach to making, marketing, and teaching others how to make and market podcasts has shifted as well, as my understanding of this quirky but powerful medium has deepened.

So this week, as I’m reflecting back, I wanted to share three key shifts in my approach to podcasting.

Hopefully, you’ll find something here that shifts the way you’re approaching your show in a way that unlocks more growth and more sales.

Today, we’ll start with shift number one:

An increasingly obsessive focus on the “Decision Point”

In the first PMA cohort, back in 2020, I dedicated a decent amount of time to differentiation and packaging. The idea of developing show premises and concepts wasn’t even on my radar.

Looking back, I treated these topics as important but boring to check off and push through so we could get to the growth tactics...

The stuff I knew everyone really wanted to learn, and that I was excited to teach.

But with every year that’s gone by, I’ve found myself dedicating more and more time to packaging and concept development... and less and less time on growth tactics.

The reason is that after a year or two of helping my clients implement the growth tactics with mixed results, I had a pair of realizations:

  1. The exposure tactics are the easy part...
  2. But they only work when you have an attractive, differentiated show.

Think about it.

As consumers, we all encounter thousands of products, creators, and content channels every single day.

And yet, we note (let alone engage with) a fraction of a percent of them.

Clearly, exposure alone isn’t enough to drive consumption.

This is especially true with a long-form medium like podcasting, which requires a significant time investment—and thus opportunity cost—to sample a new, unproven show to decide whether it's for you.

Over time, I realized that the shows that grow are the shows that win at the “Decision Point — the few seconds in which a listener encounters a show and decides whether to press play or pass.

Because the reality is that no matter how great your content and how much exposure you’re able to get, your ability to grow your show comes down to just the handful of touch points a potential listener is faced with at the Decision Point:

Your show title.

Your cover art.

And the one sentence description of your show that describes your show concept.

In fact, I would argue that, really, 90% of growth (or stagnation) can be attributed to how compelling your show’s one-sentence pitch (ie. your concept) is.

If you can’t get potential listeners curious and/or excited by that sentence, for the most part, you’ve lost them.

The ultimate bottleneck, in other words.

And the most difficult part of podcasting.

Which has, for me, also become the most fun.

Because if you can unlock that one-sentence pitch, you win the Decision Point.

And when you win the Decision Point, your growth starts to snowball, the sales start to roll in, and podcasting gets very, very exciting.

Speaking of sales rolling in, I'll be back with shift #2 tomorrow, related to how shows can best drive client conversion.

Stay Scrappy,

If you'd like an honest, no-punches-pulled assessment of what's keeping your show from generating the growth and conversions it should be, I'm currently opening up Q3 availability for my X-Ray Audits.

These audits are the most powerful and comprehensive tool I offer, and I’ve designed them specifically to spot and solve the following problems for coaches and advisors:

  • An audience that loves the show but refuses to buy from you (but will from your guests)
  • A proven offer that gets your clients results… but struggle to sell consistently, with leads regularly ghosting you after a sales call or email exchange.
  • Spiky, unpredictable revenue cycles that leave you constantly stressed about your next month’s income
  • You regularly get passed over for speaking, partnership, and summit opportunities in your space… even though you’re more qualified than the people who get them
  • Pouring countless hours into social media with barely any discernible impact on either your growth or your sales
  • The sneaking feeling that things should be easier, given everything you’ve built (podcast, product, lead magnets, newsletter, just to name a few), and the feedback you regularly get on the quality of your work.

Unlike other specialized programs that tend to optimize for narrow siloed aspects of a business…

My job with the audits is to give you the full, comprehensive picture of how the various pieces of your business and marketing strategy fit together (or as is probably the case right now, don’t).

The end result?

Full clarity into exactly why your show hasn’t been driving the sales and growth you thought it would…

And a step-by-step roadmap on what to do—in precisely what order—to fix it.

Here’s how it works:

First, we start with an intensive assessment of your business, offers, brand, and marketing assets to spot brand and strategy-level issues and opportunities.

Second, I spend 10–15 hours with your show and related material before delivering a feature-film-length video report talking through my findings, recommendations, and suggested sequencing (don’t worry, it’s timestamped and bullet-pointed).

Third, we systematically work through the roadmap, with me guiding you on exactly what to do, how to do it, and providing insight, feedback, ideation support at every step to cut down the time to results (and revenue).

There are 3 audits available in Q3, and an 8-week waitlist.

That said, if you book your spot now, you'll get immediate access to the Podcast Marketing Academy Membership, our first 1:1 call, and twice-weekly group coaching with me to help you build momentum leading up to the audit.

If you're interested in learning more, hit reply with "X-Ray" and I'll shoot over the details.

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