✊ The obscure marketing theory that explains why podcasts grow (& why most marketing fails)


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Hi friends,

Why do people listen to podcasts?

And more importantly, why do people listen to (and seek out) podcasts like yours?

When it comes to marketing our shows, it can often feel like our job is to make or convince people to pay attention and listen to our shows.

But look (and listen) closer, and you’ll find that there's something deeper at work beneath your listener's consumption habits.

Specifically, that your listeners have a series of needs, desires, and jobs they need done in their lives that they are looking for solutions to.

As it turns out, podcasts are one potential solution to those needs, desires, and jobs.

Which means the real core of your podcast marketing strategy is to:

  1. Align your show with one or more jobs your listeners are looking to have done
  2. Message those jobs clearly
  3. Show up where your potential listeners are already congregating
  4. Effectively satisfy the job, desire, or need, they came to the show to have done

Do this, and not only will you have an easier time attracting first-time listeners, but you'll improve your retention and consumption rates of existing listeners of well.

All of which adds up to more, faster growth.

This process is the core idea behind Jobs to Be Done Theory a little-known marketing concept that was first conceived waaaaaay back in the 1930’s...

Which was promptly ignored and forgotten about...

Before, 60 years later, being picked up again by famed Harvard Business School researcher Clayton Christiansen, who developed and popularized the concept through a series of case studies that shed light on the real (often whacky) reasons people bought and used certain products that defy all conventional logic.

(You’d never guess, for example, the reason why so many people buy fast food milkshakes for breakfast.)

And sure, on the surface, a 100 year-old marketing concept with a bunch of academic research behind it might not sound particularly relevant, applicable, or useful (let alone interesting) to you as a solo business owner or podcaster.

But take just two minutes to understand the concept, and you’ll quickly see that JTBD explains exactly why so many businesses and podcasters struggle to gain traction with their marketing…

And provides the exact blueprint for how to turn things around (or accelerate a marketing strategy that’s already working).

I personally think about and apply the lessons from JTBD literally dozens of times every day.

From decisions about products to create and how to create them…

To developing podcasts, with the concepts, episode engineering, content strategies, and more all rooted specifically in JTBD…

To every newsletter I write, podcast episode I record, and social post I publish…

And much, much more.

When you understand JTBD, you’ll find that everything is doing a job.

And the better you can recognize the jobs that need to be done—both for your business as well as for your audience—the more effectively and efficiently you can design solutions to those jobs.

Which means more growth, more sales, and more fun…

With less, time, less effort, and less frustration.

In this episode of Podcast Marketing Trends Explained, Justin and I—two self-declared JTDB fanboys—break down the concept in depth and talk through how to apply it to your show and marketing.

Plus we share a heaping dose of examples of JTBD in action, to help make it crystal clear how you can put the concept to work for you…

And give your marketing a healthy boost in the process.

You can add the episode to your listening queue in your favourite podcast app or watch on YouTube.

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After listening to the episode, hit reply and let me know how you would articulate the jobs Podcast Marketing Trends Explained, and Scrappy Podcasting do for you.

In particular, I'd love to hear how the jobs of the newsletter and the podcast differ for you, despite both focusing on the same general topic.

If I get enough responses, I'll do a roundup and share some of the responses—which I suspect will offer some clues about how to position your own various content offerings more effectively as well.

Stay Scrappy,

If you produce your show to get clients and customers but have struggled to attract new listeners and then convert them into buyers, I've got 6 2 spots remaining in Q2 in my private Podcast Growth Engine program where I'll personally help you build a system that does just that.

Here's how it works:

  1. After you sign up, we get on a call and do a 1:1 60-min top-to-bottom assessment of your business, including your offer(s), sales process, marketing strategy, and podcast.
  2. Then, I dig deeper, spending 10-15 hours auditing your show, poring over the most minute details.
  3. I then put together a 1.5–3 hour video report breaking down precisely why your show isn't growing and/or converting buyers, the specific problems that must be addressed, and my recommendations on how to fix them.
  4. We meet 1:1 for 90-min to debrief, start workshopping solutions, and build out your personalized roadmap (complete with step-by-step playbooks walking you through the implementation) to create a podcast marketing strategy that does what it's supposed to: Generate sales.
  5. You get access to daily async support from me, twice weekly live group calls, and 1:1 strategy sessions with me every 6 weeks to map out the next steps and update your roadmap.

If you're interested in learning more and grabbing one of the remaining spots, reply with "Growth Engine" and I'll send you over all the details.

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